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When I first joined drawar, I found it really exciting, as someone who was and still is hungry to talk (learn) about design, there was a lot of great discussion happening, and the sense of a growing, enthusiastic and colourful community. Scrivs was the instigator of much of those conversations and he did a great job of bringing us together.
The thing is, now that Scrivs has taken a back seat, and is obviously busy with other projects, I’m finding less really compelling threads on this site, and it’s become a bit more like the other web design communities (not a bad thing per se, but I loved that Drawar was different.)
I’m not trying to criticise anyone here, and I’m the first to admit, I’m not a prolific contributor to this site, but I was a prolific reader of this site back in the earlier days.
So I suppose the conversation I’m trying to start is this: what do you all think of Drawar lately, and is the community having the conversations you want to have? If not, why not?
Are the nuts and bolts of design a given for most of the rest of the members, so you all feel less need to dig them up and analyse them? Is your need for a community based more on the problems-shared-and-solved aspect?
I don’t think anyone can argue that the site seems quieter these days - there must be a reason. Let’s talk about it!
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Scrivs is slightly controversial I think.
Controversy brings up opinions on other people.
And I must also admit that I often share his radical points of view.
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What made me visit the site before were Scrivs opinions. They were proper articles, worth reading every word.
Now it’s just like any other forum, really. Useful, but not what it was.
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It will all be coming back strong in the near future. The design community overall still needs a great place to congregate and share opinions that differ from the speak we are used to hearing.
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Glad to hear, Scrivs! I sorta share the same sentiment as notbanksy and my readership / participation has declined recently.
For me, Drawar goes as Scrivs goes.
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I’m new to the community and I find it very interesting to hear what people have to say or ask. This sort of service is a great resource and the conversation should be controversial. If we all had the same opinions or background then what would be the purpose of it all. It is for that very reason that I think this site was started…slap me if I am way off.
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It’s not all Scrivs though. Drawar will only give back what you put in. I’ve ran forums and still help with online communities today and I believe the biggest factor in an active and useful community are the people that are a part of it.
I’ll agree in that some threads I find are not as useful to me - but someone will post that it was useful for them and that’s good. I mean I did join and was a bit active then slowly it dropped off as well but it works out. I was addicted to a forum once and never got any work done haha.
I do wish more people replied to some threads but I get the mentality that a lot of designers have.
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Hm, I dunno, maybe I’m just in the minority here, but I started reading the threads on here because the site is lower traffic. I can read it when I have a few moments without getting lost or having to reread a twenty page “conversation” to figure out how things got to where they are since the last time I read. Lower traffic in this case also seems to mean less trolls and less irrelevant noise. I don’t contribute much because most of the time when I see something that I would respond to, someone else has already said what I would have said, and I don’t see much point in “me too” replies—and neither do you guys considering how few of them there are here compared to certain popular blogs. That’s another reason to read here. I’d rather see one thoughtful reply than twenty “me too” ones.
Here’s a thought, if people are thinking there’s not enough activity on here: Everyone who reads should take it on themselves to write one article or mini-article or question a month that’s geared toward creating discussion (as opposed to just being informative).
If the community’s not having the conversations you want to have, the question is not “why not?” The question is “What are you going to do about it?”
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I agree with a couple of the comments here - and it’s a valid question: why not? Why aren’t we having the conversations we want to have? And I think it’s about momentum as much as anything. I think in the early days of Drawar, the community was happy to let Scrivs lead the conversation, and everyone chipped in with replies and threads around the most popular themes. I did notice threads by other members during this time which were also challenging and made me want to contribute, but I think the momentum has somehow been lost. It may be coincidence that this has happened since Scrivs took a back seat, or it may be a direct consequence. It’s likely a bit of both.
Despite us designers being creative, thoughtful people, I think it holds true that people like to be led, and derive a sense of comfort and tribalism from this. A community is only as strong as its members, but Drawar isn’t - or wasn’t - like other communities, perhaps because of its strong leader.
Really looking forward to seeing how Drawar develops in the next weeks and months :)
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To be honest, since I saw drawar was for sale I felt that Scrivs had either a. lost faith in the project or b. didn’t have the time to help it grow.
Obviously the site didn’t sell which didn’t really help a. or b. but kind of left the whole thing in something of a limbo for me. Is it worth visiting a site which the owner wants rid of?
I’ve not been as active on here simply because I’m waiting to see what’s actually happening with the site.
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I know I left when the font got huge.
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I know I left when the font got huge.
Really?
So the quality of the posts is irrelevant, you just want to look at some nice type?
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Hi @notbanksy, I also left when the the font was huge because to me it was borderline-readable, it diminished my experience immensely.
I wasn’t quiet about it, I told Scrivs I really disliked it, no change was made, so I stopped visiting. It wasn’t some kind of wicked revenge against anyone, I just couldn’t find enjoyment in a design community where the design was getting in the way of my enjoyment, it broke my will to engage.
It just goes to show that even a great site with great content can break down if it is not designed accordingly, it’s something we can all learn from, not something to be embarrassed about. There’s no reason to point fingers.
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Bring back the old red design, that was my favourite :-P
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Hey @Griffith
Thanks for your reply. It’s a fair comment when you put it in those terms, and I apologise to daniel if I judged him too harshly. Personally I never found that the type got in the way of the content, but then I did hear that some windows users found it pretty rough.
@jameskoster I also really liked the red design. I have to say the current one is my favourite though :)
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Been having the same vague notion that things seem to have got quieter. Reading over here, the question indeed is: what’s wrong with that.
Generally though, I think Twitter has a part in that. And the fact that we’re all lazy. And busy.
It’s hard putting out great content: working out ideas, asking the right questions, following up on the discussion… Blurting out a 140 character frustration is easier. And for the ego: it has a larger, faster response rate.
Personally, I’ve been lying low everywhere recently. So I’m not sure. Maybe the “right” reflex ought to be when you have an idea: should I tweet this, or maybe expand on it and post on Drawar? For that to happen, maybe the idea of what Drawar really is, or should be, needs to become clearer.
Not just as a dictate from above, but for each of us individually. You get out what you put in remains a strong statement there.
Been doing that, with ups and downs, and perhaps I should again.
In any case, I keep checking in now and again, and I’m not leaving.
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No need to be at a ship when the captain is gone. Surely someone can step up to be a captain, but he has to be trained and willingly to spend a vast amount of time. And even then I will probably miss Scrivs thought provoking opinions.
So I go with jameskoster here.
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In my opinion, Drawar is a great forum with occasionally interesting discussions, nothing more, nothing less. I’d love to see it concentrate on that and hold its own between the more popular design communities. But who knows if that’s gonna happen. It has a lot going for it (first and foremost a passionate community), but quite a bit would have to be done for it to become really useful in the long term.