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I've previously only used Wordpress for client work but I'm thinking of trying out some new ones now that I'll be outsourcing development work.
Top of my list would be Expression Engine but this could be a little overkill for some projects where I think something like Concrete5 would do the job and be very intuitive to use for the client.
Don't know too much about Drupal or Joomla - they worth looking at?
(feel free to delete I've re-posted in design & dev)
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On my own, I use WordPress.
At work, we have a terrible system called iMIS eCM. The plan was to move to their new version iMIS WCM (by the way, WCM stands for Web Content Management). I pushed for months that we should look at other options and finally was told I could do so. It needs to be .NET, so I've looked at Umbraco, Sitefinity, Kentico, Sitecore & Ektron. So far, I'm most impressed with Kentico.
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Drupal is the daddy.
The learning curve is a little bit steep at first (7 is doing at lot to fix that) but the theming system is very intelligent and functionally it's very expandable.
You just need a decent base theme to start off with like: Zen (Probably the most popular) Mothership (Produces very clean xhtml)
Once you have got your head round it, it's pretty much light years ahead of Wordpress & Joomla.
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I'm most comfortable with WordPress, but that's all I've used (other than a custom-built CMS that I made in college). I've thought about trying Perch - it looks really interesting.
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Ouu Perch eh? Must take a gander at that Dani, thanks.
Wordpress has increasingly begun to annoy me as I feel like you're hacking it to make it work like a CMS.
@Lewis Drupal is the daddy? interesting... I must invest some time in exploring it. I have noticed that a lot of PSD -> HTML websites will also convert to Drupal (and Joomla) which could prove useful.
Anyone tried Concrete 5 yet?
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The one I love and can't get enough of is ModX CMS. They have the best CMS to me by far as far as learning curve, theming, and control of your site goes. Everything just works and it is very SEO friendly which is very important nowadays.
Wordpress is very popular and that's the only reason I've been driven to try it... but it's ehh in my opinion.
you should really try ModX
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I've been using Wordpress, but it does way too much for me. Can anybody recommend anything lighter, that still features blogging?
@Dani Perch looks really interesting.
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Wordpress has been the best for me, I love it. It does feel a bit like overkill now though for a simple blogging platform, and on the flipside, as Jimmypeach said you have to hack it to get it working like a CMS, at least for version <3. I've not had a play with version 3 yet though so it might be easier.
Drupal is no harder to theme than Wordpress, in fact it's incredibly similar. It's once you get past the theming and get into adding module/plugins that it gets trickier. The back end is both more complicated and also more simplified than Wordpress., if that makes sense. It's cleaner and more organised, but everything has a whole wealth of options. But it's very much a CMS tool rather than a simple blogging tool.
Joomla I've never really tried too much, mainly because the first time I sat down with it I hated it right from the start. I've never tried it since then.
Currently some colleagues and I are in the midsts of building our own CMS that's aimed at the travel sector. If anyone's reading this and needs a fully fledged content, contract, booking and payment management system for their travel site, get in contact ;)
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I've also been on a quest to try new CMS but I've put that on halt. Wordpress has always been my choice for blog or just a CMS. However, I'm interested in trying Expression Engine & Drupal. I've actually started learning both and found that EE, for me, was a lot easier to learn compared to Drupal. I guess I should continue my learning. I'm too comfortable with Wordpress BUT I've seen several people using WP get hacked and had to use another CMS. This worries me so I should start looking for other options.
@Clervius - Thanks for mentioning ModX. I think I might give it a try.
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@Johnny, a while back, like two months ago, I designed a site for a client that had to do with traveling. It is a small airline.
I've since had two more requests for the like but we haven't really sat down and talked about it yet. How close to finished are you with this thing, and would it work for what I'm looking for?
@corinspired anything for you doll :-)
presuming you actually are a doll...
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@Clervius It's kinda near the start right now. We've got the content management part in place on a few sites, although it's a bit... rough around the edges (but better than anyone in travel seems to have ever seen), but other bits need dedicated personnel. Once the investors give sign off it should be 6 months until there's a finalised product. That sign off part is taking some time though... sadface.
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@Johnny Ahh.. I see. How much will this run around? or would you prefer discussing privately?
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The one I code with my own hands.
http://3by9.com http://drwr.it http://decaflon.com
All run on their own stuff.
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@Scrivs ... Fall off a bridge In a nice way...
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lol
Must give Modx a try!
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@Clervius I was gonna send you a message on your site, but wasn't sure if they were all direct to you. Have you got a preferred email and we can talk business. SERIOUS BUSINESS! Any contact info in my profile goes direct to me, so go crazy.
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I really tried all the existing CMS and the best is absolutelly SilverStripe. It's not only a CMS but also a full featured MVC framework like CodeIgniter; this mean full customization capability. The template system is simple and powerfull. For customization PHP skills is needed because everything is done with class coding, but it's worth.
@Jimmypeach I developed some websites also with Concrete5: it's a very good CMS, it's the second in my ranking, but i found that isn't so intuitive to use for the client. I don't know why, but they are better with the classic driven forms interface. Probably the WYSIWYG interface of Concrete5 is too geeky :)
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I'm a big fan of Refinery CMS for my stuff: http://www.refinerycms.com/ - it's got a really neat module generator for those situations where clients say things like "I need a module to keep track of all my store locations", and theming it is basically just like writing views in any other Rails app.
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@Johnny Quest Sorry, I just noticed your message but yeah they come directly to me. I wish we had messaging feature here. if you want to go email me though, that would be joram@clervius.com
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Lately I've only been using Unify. WordPress is way too complicated for lots of clients and many use cases. This is just pure simplicity.
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I've been using our own framework which includes a cms, crm and communicationmodule. Built from scratch using php, xml, xslt, mysql, css, blood, sweat and beers.
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In my opinion, bloated content management systems like Joomla or Drupal are terrible for the end-user experience and not very developer friendly. Concrete5 is a new powerful CMS that is easy for developers and even easier for end-users. It works on a in-context editing model so you make changes as you’re browsing your site. No more portal clones! If you’re tired of long training sessions and tons of client support requests, try a demo of Concrete5 here: http://bit.ly/concrete5cms
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Tried EE, not bad but the fact that it’s not free kills it for my clients so Wordpress is usually the choice CMS.
Joomla.. hate it.
Never tried Drupal - wouldn’t mind trying it one day but it does seem to be a bit bloated as Lucas said.
I’ve also tried SimpleCMS. It’s not bad, I used it for an intranet site at work and it was pretty straight forward, could use some work.
I thought about designing my own CMS but with the extensive following wordpress has it’s almost easier to just go with that.
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We use WordPress for almost everything. It’s free, looks good on the backend (not that the clients ever understand it enough to make useful additions/edits to the site), templating system is pretty solid, etc.
Honestly, though, I am constantly annoyed by it for various reasons (depends on the project or problem I’m tackling). For instance, it seems nothing is ever namespaced or confined to a class; there’s just a million random, poorly-named, tacked-on-over-time functions and variables floating along in global space. I’m not exactly a PRO1773 coder but I feel like if developers using your software have to constantly dive into the source code to figure any god-damned thing out (that’s more complicated than IF POSTS, OUTPUT POSTS MMKAY)... Well, there’s probably a disconnect between what you wish your software was and what it actually is.
Protip: WordPress wishes it was a CMS but it’s still just blog software. Blog software with a lot of stuff added on top, sure, but it is not a pure CMS at its core and probably never will be.
However, the thought of taking time to learn another CMS is always enough to stick with familiar territory. WordPress might have some annoying things about it but I’ve been using it for so long I can get around pretty much any problem in the end.
That said, I have used EE for a client before because we thought its power was going to prove useful. It’s too much, though, and most of it goes unused. I’m actually having a hard time coming up with a situation where EE is relevant (especially for $300!). Either the project is too simple for it—use a CMS or a basic front controller—or the project is too complex/custom—grab your favorite framework and have at it.
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I now use WordPress at my current workplace for a CMS and I love it. There are a few annoyances I’ll encounter, but everything is so extensible that it isn’t a problem.
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I use Wordpress for my portfolio & blog, it’s easy to setup, use, tweak and the community is ginormous! I’ve also seen a really sweet demo for LightCMS, there is a free package but it doesn’t give you very much. Everything else I’ve done is either SMARTY Templating or custom views in Zend/MVC stuff.
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I have a couple of simple suggestions I would like to try out for myself actually; Stacey App (managed by editing text files) and Nanoc (a ruby site compiler) - they seem relatively simple in many ways.
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I am along the line of Drupal & Wordpress for CMS. Though I kind of miss the old days where Mambo then Joomla were the leaders
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If you want a solid, simple publishing system take a look at textpattern. It’s fast, safe and it’s templating system is second to none. It’s community is extremely helpful and very, very polite.
The simple XML-style tag system allows complete control over dynamic content without the need for programming.
It’s not bloated at all, but you have to learn some basics about it’s use, so there is a fairly steep learning curve.
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I use wordpress for all my CMS related projects. As a designer, I do some front end work and I think one CMS is enough to learn at a time. I’d delve into anything which could do a better job than Wordpress but I have not found it yet.
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Read my post schteeeeve?
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@blok, agree!
Wordpress is good, but Textpattern rocks!
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In the end it’s all about how good you know the cms you’re working with, i guess.
Any CMS has it’s pros and cons. If you’re talking to a Drupal developer, Drupal is the best, Joomla Developer = Joomla the best, it’s always the same discussion.
Just make a descision for a CMS and stick with it, there is no perfect solution. Currently I’m working with Wordpress most of the time, and yes, I have to hack the system to make it fit my needs, but I’ve also had to work with Drupal, with Joomla, Contao and I always had to “hack” my way through or rely on developers to create the right modules/plugins.
So, we are developers and out job is to make things fit the needs…and maybe you end up with creating your own cms..if someone is willing to pay for it, great, but tha’ts not my expierence.
I love Wordpress, because I know it pretty well, and the core offers actually everything I need, even if the documentation of the more in depth functionality could be better.
And untilnow, I’ve never felt limited with Wordpress and the customers love the backend, that’s what is important to me, because the’re paying my bills….my 2 cent
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I’ve been looking into ultra-light CMSes lately and I’ve seen Stacey and Perch mentioned here.
Some others are Pulse, SkyBlue, Razor and Lotus—at least the ones that appeal to me and that I may want to try out.
Other than that I mostly use WP. Drupal lures, but I’m not sure—not for the work I do.
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Nils, have you checked out Escher CMS. This is where Textpattern is going. It’s fast, fully cacheable and has smart templating, very easy backend and unopinionated. Haven’t tried it yet, but seems to be very promising.
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I love how Escher’s site is blatantly copy-pasted from wordpress.org.
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For ecommerce based websites I prefer to use Prestashop. The admin could be better but haven’t really found anything simple enough to move from Presta.
Anyone have any suggestions for a decent ecommerce alternative to Presta?
Occasionally use Wordpress but for smaller projects we use our own CMS: GingerPenguin
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If we’re talking e-commerce now there are a couple of hosted carts that might be a good alternative to Prestashop. The Olive Manna shop used highly customized Prestashop at first then migrated to Big Cartel. I really like Shopify and Wazala.
Back to CMS conversation: Typeroom looks really good too. I’ve used the Lite version in an early beta. It was slick and simple - made for smaller sites.
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I’ve decided this week that I had to learn some kind of CMS. So I dug into Wordpress, installed it, added a theme and a child theme and started doing some CSS overrides. Then I got to a point that i needed to change the HTML content, and that’s when I give up. For someone that knows nothing about how a CMS works, I find Wordpress overwhelming.
That’s when I struck into Frog CMS and after that, Wolf CMS (which is a fork of Frog). So, once again I stress that I’m a total noob regarding CMSs, and let me tell you that, although it’s still in constant development, it’s very straightforward! One minute looking at the interface and I totally got it how it worked. And that hooked me up! Of course it has its downsides, like lack of plugins (small community) and if you need something a little bit more complex, it’s gonna kill you. But for simple websites it’s definitely very flexible!
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Dr. Music,
Not all WordPress themes are created equal. Some are harder to customize than they should be. I have found a few themes I really like to build from and some that are a wreck. WooThemes Meta-Morphosis is very easy to customize. I like Magazine Basic too (from bavotasan.com). Both of these have useful admin backend options but give you plenty of control over the layout and design with a custom.css. What WordPress themes have you been working with?
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I installed Thematic, which seemed to be the most used around. And it was selling itself as very flexible bla bla bla….
From what I was able to understand, everything you do on Wordpress is always some kind of override to the original Theme, and I get that. You want a good fallback for when you messed up somewhere. But if I want to start a simple webpage from scratch, I really can with this Wolf CMS. I’m not saying it should be used for large webpages, but I feel it’s great for simple ones.
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If anyones interested in WordPress and eCommerce I’d encourage you to keep an eye on a project we’re developing;- http://jigoshop.com/
We’re using wp3’s core functionality to develop an eCommerce solution which is intuitive to use, easy to customise and which works.
It’s an exciting project which we’re hoping to launch in a month or so.
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Definitely recommend Spree for ecommerce designs. We used it for Sticker Mule and it’s extraordinarily flexible from a design perspective. It’s also open source and developing at a very fast pace.
For another cool example of Spree’s design flexibility checkout Rails Dog Radio which is actually just a fancy Spree Demo store.
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Mostly Wordpress, unless it’s a large scale website then it’s Drupal.
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Ditto with Rachelle, for the majority of smallish sites, WordPress’ simplicity is king. Big bulky sites, Drupal is the daddy.
I had always been in love with WordPress, but I started noticing major performance hits as sites started to scale (in terms of quantity of content, not hits). I was, somewhat, forced to learn Drupal at work and hated it at first. The more I used it the more I appreciate it, highly recommend investing some time adding Drupal to your arsenal.
The best thing about Drupal is the ‘profiles’, Open Atrium, Managing News and OpenPublish are all awesome out of the box. OpenAtrium is so good that the White House are using it.
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I have always worked with WordPress but my colleagues have often used TextPattern and EE so I am really interested in giving those a try, depending on what type of client demands it content-wise.
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We use TYPO3: http://typo3.org/
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I use RadiantCMS for most projects. For simpler sites I try to use Harmony.
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What about static site generator? Like Jekyll for example.
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New here, first post! *waves*
I’ve very recently fallen in love with Concrete5! Concrete5 is brilliant if you have non-technically inclined clients who are intimidated by back end interfaces. The fact that you can simply click and edit right on the page is much more intuitive for frightened office workers who are scared they’ll “mess something up” in a less direct system.
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Great topic. I usually feel like I have to get into fisticuffs with people over this. I use Joomla and Wordpress extensively. Recently I have been lured to try Drupal as it is supposedly incredibly secure, which is Joomla’s greatest flaw.
Can anyone post some good links for learning Drupal 7?
Thx.
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WordPress seems to be the first choice of most of you here. With reason, :)
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Throwing in another vote for Textpattern. I’m a designer (development is definitely NOT my forté) and I just recently started working with it. The ease-of-use and feature set is incredible, and it makes me wonder why I ever bothered with Wordpress.
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I personally prefer redaxo which is more like a content-framework and extremely flexible. You can create almost any content structure and generate any sort of output from it. It takes a moment to learn how it works (maybe its concept is a bit comparable to drupal), but once you got it, you fall in love with it.
Unfortunately still the community an documentation is mostly in german, but they aim to internationalize it within the next few months.
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The best CMS is one that provides the most productivity to you and your clients. Unfortunately that depends on your ability to teach clients how to use software. Some of us are lucky and use a CMS that is mega straightforward, simple and easy, but not all are afforded that luxury.
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I’m getting to love Drupal. I used to use Wordpress more often, but my last few projects have heavily involved user-submitted posts, and Wordpress isn’t really set up for that. Using Drupal might involve a little more frustration (mostly because there are so many modules with different compatibility issues), but it’s a great community CMS if you’re building a social networking or community site. The Views module is indespensible—it’s hard to get that level of post-viewing customization in Wordpress.
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@tnypxl: Good point, and it’s definitely worthwhile to consider a CMS that lets you customize the interface. Drupal does this, and I believe Joomla does, too. This was invaluable when I had to design a site that involved non-techie clients that wanted to be able to approve, modify, and delete posts and do simple maintenance tasks but were easily disoriented by too many menu items.
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For portfolios and small websites, The Secretary is a dream.
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I still find WordPress to be really easy to use.
Being a designer I am not much into coding or programming. WordPress saves me from writing codes because there are many plugins available for functions and feature I want.
But now-a-days I am feeling like experimenting with new CMS as well. I have heard some good names like ModX & Refinery CMS. Will be trying these soon..
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Ofcourse wordpress usage is pretty cool. Besides wordpress we use Joomla, Drupal having better expandable in the near future
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For client work I use Wordpress because it is most widely used and understood in my opinion.
For my own side projects and personal blog, I create my own CMS.
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I'm right at home with Wordpress. I've heard great things about Expression Engine. Drupal scares me because I hear it's a bitch to template for. It's been years since I touched a Joomla site.
It all depends on what kind of site you want to build. If you want great community features then Drupal is the way to go. Blogging and simple sites should stick with Wordpress.